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how about planning what you were going to do with the $30 million bonus yahoo just paid you. >> for millions of american, to take it to another 20 or 30 minutes of sleep. is it helping us or making us more tired? >> and same-sex marriage supporters are up to their new friends on the right. there is nothing sleepy about this big tuesday in "the cycle." >> marriage equality on trial. the supreme court today heard about 90 minutes worth of oral arguments in hollingsworth versus perry. the soup that bans same-sex marriage. proponents say prop 8 restores the traditional definition of marriage and promotes responsible procreation. the challengers say that marriage is not about having kids. they're fighting for marriage equality and said it must be the
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same, open to same sex couple as to any straight couple. their lawyers, david boyes and david olson who were on opposing side during bush v. gore have been working together on this four four years. they want a sweeping ruling that would be nationwide. but reading the tea leaves, the justices might not be ready. >> the problem with the case, is that you're really asking particularly because of the sociological evidence that you cite for us to go into uncharted waters. you're doing so in a case where the opinion is very narrow, basically that once the state goes halfway, it has to go all the way or 70% of the way. and you're doing so in a case where there is a substantial question on standing. i just wonder if the case was properly granted. >> traditional marriage has been around for thousands of years. same sex marriage is very new. i think it was first adopted in the netherlands in 2000 so there
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isn't a lot of data about its effect. but you want us to step in and render a decision based on an assessment of the effects of this institution which is newer than cell phones or the internet? we are not, we do not have the ability to see the future. >> nbc's pete williams was inside the chamber for oral arguments. what's your take away? >> reporter: that it is an understatement to say the court won't of a sweeping ruling on gay rights one way or the other. there didn't seem to be a clear majority here to uphold prop 8 or a clear majority to strike it down. now it is certainly true that there are liberal justices here who were very skeptical about the arguments by prop 8 proponents, that there would be some harm to same-sex marriage if traditional marriage, rather, if same sex couple are allowed to join the club. that question came today from
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justice elena kagan. >> do you go further to say it harms any state interest? >> your honor, we go further in the sense that it is reasonable to be very concerned that redefining marriage as a genderless institution could well lead over time to harms to that institution. >> what harm you see happening and when and how and, what harm to the institution of marriage or to opposite sex couples? how does this cause and effect work? >> once again, i would reiterate that we don't believe that's the correct legal question before the court. >> are you conceding the point that there is no harm or denigration to traditional opposite sex marriage couples? so you're conceding that? >> no, your honor, i'm not conceding that. >> reporter: that was the exchange of justices kagan and
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kennedy with chuck cooper who is the lawyer arguing on behalf of the prop 8 proponents today. you certainly had some liberals on the court who are willing to strike down prop 8. and some conservatives willing to uphold it. going back to the beginning, the first bit of sound that you played from justice kennedy who could likely be the deciding vote here. and remember, he is the justice who has written the two most recent and possibly the two most important gay rights rulings in the supreme court. he said today, you know, maybe there is no clear answer here. maybe this case should not have been granted. that is sort of code the supreme courts, if we can't find a majoritiering with dismiss it as improv dentally granted. a strange little term here. it is likely, what would that mean? it would mean the lower court ruling would stand that declared the lower court constitutional. marriage could resume in california but it would not have no impact anywhere else and probably have very little to say
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about gay rights one way or the other. tomorrow we'll hear the arguments in the doma case where the court will probably be more definitive about whether the federal government can define marriage or whether it would leave it to the states. >> interesting stuff. pete williams, thank you very much. we'll see you back here tomorrow as the high court takes up doma. as you said, thousands of demonstrators on both sides of this debate are staked out in the capital. here's a look at them in their own words. >> prop 8 has got to go!
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>> they chanted every child deserves a mom and dad. mike is a correspondent with the "huffington post." he also produces huff post live. we talk about yesterday the idea that because public opinion had moved so dramatically so quickly on this issue, maybe this would have the effect of giving the supreme court the idea that they are less pressured to rule on this at all because the democratic process is clearly working outside of the court. do you think that it is possible and so they'll sort of take a step back from this, or do you think they want to get out now on public opinion and accurately reflect the sentiment of the country right now? >> reporter: until justice kennedy said maybe we should dismiss this case, it seems the court was looking to get out ahead of the states. public opinion is over 50% for same sex marriage.
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but then justice alito toward the end of the oral argument, he said if we do get out ahead of it, aren't we thwarting the democratic process? and he seemed to use that as his practicing mattic reason as opposed to the orange reining reason for letting prop 8 stand and letting the process play out in other states in the country. >> i would love to go and ask those people who want every child to have a mom and a dad if they are against divorce or against single parents. my question to you, it is unconstitutional to have laws that ban rights to one specific group of people. so why is it unlikely we'll get that 50 state solution that liberals were hoping for here? >> politics. that's the only reason. justice kennedy and i guess two more words, justice kennedy. he seemed genuinely frightened of the fact that the only remaining rationale he could support in the supreme court was the 50-state solution. he seem afraid of going that far. he said the california only
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solution, the ninth circuit did was rubbish. he said standing, they had standings to get into court. he did not lying the solicitor general's eight state solution that would knock down the bans or would elevate same-sex marriage in the states that provide everything but marriage. so all that was left were the 50 state solution. he seemed freaked out by that and he decided maybe we should just dismiss this case that we should have never taken it in the first place. >> there has been a lot of talk about justice kennedy's remarks. that he may want to dismiss the case, as you said, being freaked out by the 50-state solution. there was word that justice ginsburg may also be uncomfortable with the 50-state solution even though she is likely amenable to expanding gay rights in general. she had previously stated that she felt the roe v. wade decision had moved too far too fast. did you see any of that from her today. >> reporter: i did not. she might see the difference as
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a matter of well, for the proponents and the antagonists, either a life or death issue. for people who are for or against same-sex marriage, it is a live and let live issue. the idea of a back lash coming from same-sex marriage rights from all 50 states didn't make that much of an impact on justice ginsburg's comments. >> i'm not sure what you mean by politics. i think this court has proven itself very willing to take a lot of least for certain decisions. some of them revel in it. justice scalia talks about the anti-anti-homosexual agenda in language designed to upset people. ken is more moderate. that brings us to the question of whether kennedy or roberts will want to take any kind of measured action to find the majority. but of course, robert has only done that really once where he sided with the liberals, family in the health care case. but only in that case. as of 2012, he had done that
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only once. ken, about 25 times. he has found a way to make common cause with the other justices. is your view basically from what we heard and kennedy's concerns, what you called there the process of elimination and the standing arguments are that he is in no mood to work with the liberals here? >> i think he is only in a mood to work with the liberals if the liberals work with him. at the very en. i've showed that kennedy last year in the aca case was willing to scrap the entire obama care act. this time he seemed spooked in the same way that down prop 8 would bring it back to california. >> mike sacks, thank you very much. up next, age 17. a millionaire 30 times over. a story that will make wish you had spent less time boozing in a parking lot and more time learning to code. that's next. hungry for the best?
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if you're a teenage boy, you probably idolize lebron or
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jay-z. some of you may idolize andy samberg, or me. but then you should be setting your sights a lot higher. you should idolize britain's nick, he just sold his mobile app to yahoo for a reported $30 million. nick came one the idea for someone who is 15 and studying for exams. he wasn't focusing on the exam, he was focusing on his future. by the way, yahoo older than him. the company offered him a job. he will work in their london office because they're not into working from home anymore. they might even let him finish school. what were you doing when you were 15, 16, 17? probably not making $30 million. i was actually dreaming of being a political consultant. i loved the richard gere movie power. i tried to convince my parents, let me leave school and work on the jesse jackson campaign. >> no go? >> i had work on the dukakis
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campaign. this kid is not just brilliant. he is at the right moment in history. we all remember the '90s dot com boom. most of those ideas were bad. most of the people don't have that money anymore. that bubble burst and part of the economic troubles we've had. this kid is part of a more substantial moment when we are moving toward a mobile app world. or a mobile world. mobile computing world. so the giants google, facebook, are trying to figure out how to maintain dominance. give money to kids like this who are brilliant. $30 million is nothing to them. the kid pointed this out when he said 5 good idea or you think there is a gap in the market, just launch it. just do it. because there are investors across the world right now looking for company to invest in. so boom, the gold rush is on as we move into the mobile world. >> you mentioned the '90s. >> who doesn't? it was a great decade.
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if you sit in that chair, you must be a big '90s fan. >> obviously, this is great. >> how do you feel about michael dukakis? >> wait, who was he? i am a not doing it right? >> the chair is broken. >> i think there is a feel good story and it is always excite and really the american thing. to see someone get out there and make it. i'm glad he is finishing school. i also worry about this whole ethic in silicon valley that you can do everything without schooling. peter who was big a angel investor on facebook has been saying that because people like zuckerberg and now our new friend did so much without ever even going to finish college, people should not. he put up a lot of money and a boundy encouraging people to skip college and come right out to the valley. you mentioned lebron and others. that's a big problem in could go sports. what we have is success as an escape hatch. if you can make some money when
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you're young, you shouldn't even go through the rest of a liberal arts education. and i think that's a shame and we'll probably hobble some of these people. >> i don't know about that. i'll looking back at my college experience. i'm not sure how much i got out of a four-years liberal arts education, to be honest with you. i take a little of the opposite view. >> ooh! >> it is a great school will. >> you're a role model. >> you learn how to learn. that's what you get out of going there. taking subjects that you're not fully interested in. >> i'm pretty sure this kid knows how to learn will. >> i know plenty of people who graduated from college who were not well round at all, young men in particular. >> i feel insulted for my gender. >> on the other side, we have and maybe not necessarily 17-year-olds starting $30 million companies but we have
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all these kids in high school. basically warehoused. not gaining any sort of practical real world experience. i do think there is maybe a shift toward encouraging more of an outward look. more thinking about taking control of your life. i think that's a positive thing. good for this guy. it is great. and also, it is a bit of a moment going back to your point about him being at the right moment in time. you no longer have to wait in line with your idea and that i have to it a big company and hope that somewhere ten years down the road, after you have that education in all those signaling devices, that you can make it. if you've got the ideas, you put it. if you've got the idea, you can get it out there right away. i think that's a beautiful thing. and when i was 17, i was not doing a whole heck of a lot, i have to say. nothing impressive. >> when i was 17 -- >> you were a big swimmer. >> i was a swimmer will. >> it's not really that productive. i was in great shape. >> i was dancing at boston ballet trying not to go black
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swan on the other dancers. malnourished, hating life. that was not a fun time for me. but it never would have occurred to me, i was trying to think, is it me or is it just a change in the times. it never would have occurred to me to be an entrepreneur at that age. it just seemed so daunting. you go to school or you become really good at something. if i was not going to be a ballet dancer, i was going to college and go to the best one i could go to and go to the professional world and get a job at some big company. it never occurred to me to start my own company or invent something. i'm wondering if that's just because i'm not entrepreneurial or because something has changed where that kind of thinking is more encouraged now. >> i hate to keep bringing up my father every single day but a huge impact. the accountant? >> he started his own accounting business. i remember him doing it. so the entrepreneurial bug or
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model was there for me like you could do this and they were constantly telling me, figure out something and go for that. so that was a thought in my head. but it never, i never actually did it. >> it's hard. >> straight ahead, after we've covered this completely, the evolving politics of the gay marriage debate. our friend and wise man from washington. howard fineman is in the guest spot because he is the guest. i've always had to keep my eye on her... but, i didn't always watch out for myself. with so much noise about health care... i tuned it all out. with unitedhealthcare, i get information that matters... my individual health profile. not random statistics. they even reward me for addressing my health risks. so i'm doing fine... but she's still going to give me a heart attack. we're more than 78,000 people looking out for more than 70 million americans. that's health in numbers. unitedhealthcare.
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i tell you today that every american can't take anymore. we cannot stand anymore. and for the other side to try to change the definition of marriage is devastating to all of our families.
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>> that may be the case for some americans. there is no denying that there has been a seismic shift in support for same-sex marriage. for the first time in history, a majority of americans support it, according tower nbc news "wall street journal" poll. and it is not just voters changing their minds. some of the people we elect are following suit. perhaps even more significant, it is happening on both sides of the aisle. montana senator jon tester moments ago became the first to add his name to that list. senator mark warner represents an historically red state. they join president obama, hillary clinton and claire mccaskill on the left. politicians like jon huntsman and dick cheney on the right. politico tells the story, the culture wars are back with you there time the battlefield looks a lot different. editorial director howard fineman, welcome.
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>> hi. >> so let me get your take on something. even though i support gay marriage as a conservative, i also don't believe the federal government should be in the marriage business. if they have to be, then i want them to distribute rights equally. but my end goal would be the government, the state out of marriage altogether. let's say that the supreme court rules in favor of gay marriage. do you think that would solidify the role of government in marriage for the long term in or do you think that would help diminish it into the future? >> i think temporarily, it would put the federal government further into the game. because there will be some states where gay marriage would still be seen as anathema. where it would still be possible to mount a docounter attack and
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create a lot of controversy doing so. i think that's on the minds of the court based on the commentary i've heard and people like mike sacks and pete williams have been saying. the court is aware of that. they know about the great social shifts that have happened because of court decisions in roe v. wade and brown versus board of education. it is interesting that everybody concedes, this is a similar water she have moment. the question is how far should the court push the federal government into advancing that process or not. >> howard, if could i turn to what we all love to talk about, politics and speculating more on the future, what do you think the contours of the gay marriage debate will be in 2016? because we have had this rapid evolution. in 2008, gay marriage was a very difficult issue for democrats. they really didn't want to talk about it much. they all hedged their bets of. in 2012, neither side wanted to
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talk about it at all. in 2016, do you think this will be a winning issue for democrats to run on? >> well, i was talking to a pretty prominent conservative this morning and he was saying wistfully, remember when the phrase god, guns and gays was on our side? it has turned upside down. if you want to go back to 2004, karl rove and the bush, george w. bush campaign, engineered the placing of ballot measures in several states to turn out the conservative vote to help george w. bush. a state like ohio, for example. i think that politics is completely being turned on its head. we're watching it happen minute by minute. there is almost a comical stampede on the part of democrats to get on the right side of this issue. there is a bullet in every five minutes. i think they should get decreasing points for how long it takes them to do that. >> seriously. to wait for dick cheney?
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>> no points. >> no points after rob portman or rob portman's sons in the daily news. and i think dick cheney had a lot to do with it. i think by 2016, i think republicans are the ones who will have a very, very tough time with this issue. and this is classic wedge politics where the idea is to divide your opponent's base. the republicans will be divide between their libertarian base which is more on the economic side and the he evangelical side which they built the modern republican party on starting with ronald reagan. >> you're absolutely right. when i hear hillary clinton and claire mccaskill announcing their support for same-sex marriage, oh, i thought they already did. why do they need to check that box now. let's talk about that other side. the republican response going forward into 2016. you already touched on the demographics. they have a base that wants to see marriage protected in that traditional way.
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and they are turning away a lot of younger voters by their lack of support for marriage equality. so 2016, is the republican presidential nominee going to have to support gay marriage to try to bridge the demographic problem that they have? or are they going to be unable to support it because so much of the party's base is against it? >> the short answer is i don't know. but i do know if the otherwise worthless report that the republican national committee commissioned, the $10 million wasted, i could have done it for one lunch at the palm. they did say that the gay marriage issue, marriage equality issue was a gateway issue for voters under the age of 30. what they meant by that was, that no young people are going to listen to the republican message on any topic if they tone, if the party doesn't get
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in the right place on this issue. that means to me that there is enormous pressure and it will be enormous pressure on the republicans in the next couple years. we'll see. >> you know, howard, people may not get any points after the portman breakthrough. but you'll get a point for saying i don't know. that's always hard to say that on tv. >> stumped by toure. >> well, we'll leave that for another day. what i want to draw you out on as we're closing up shop. >> we are? >> it's 3:30. we go for another half-hour. >> for this segment, is this whole notion of identity politics that you were just alluding to. the idea that it is 2013 in america and if you are going to say that certain people are going to be mistreated, either in the way that they're addressed by politicians, which we saw especially with immigration, separate from policy. we can have disagreements with policy. with some of the rhett risk who happened to be immigrants or
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undocumented workers in the primary or this issue. are we seeing the ultimate boomerangi boomeranging? that used to be something they accused democrats too much on. now they're trying the address everyone and saying we're not against anyone because of their identity. >> i think the democrats clearly have the upper hand on this message. ultimately it is a fundamental american message. sure, we have conflicts in this country between a send ever sense of embracing everybody, he shall getting an equal chance in america. and our constant fear of them. there has to be a them out there somewhere. but i think the democrats are on the right side of the american spirit on this. i think the republicans are sadly aware of this fact. and they're desperate for the most part to figure out how to get out of the box that they're in. i remember george w. bush back in 2000, when i was at "newsweek." i had to ask dick cheney. it fell to me to ask dick cheney
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about his lesbian daughter who hadn't really been discussed very much. and george w. bush leaped to the defense of the cheney family and said it is their family. they will decide what they want. and his instincts were very he will bracing. this is george w. bush now in 2000. that's where the republican party needs to be. they have to get there. would you they get there without alienating their evangelical base will be a problem. but they have to do it. i think what they have to do is stress the libertarian part of the message. they can be in the purse, in the pocket book and against interference in private life. that's consistent. >> we are still work shopping a nickname for you. >> i have to say, i'm sad to hear that uva didn't really
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combat pay is tax-free. and when you're working in a civilian job, that's all sub to tax. many states don't tax military pay and that will be sub to tax. so there is a downgrade in the income, if the income is the same because of taxes. and secondly, if you are separated from service because for something other than retirement, you don't have access to commissaries anymore. so you have to pay what the rest of us are used to paying for your everyday expenses. >> what can some servicemen and women currently serving do to prepare for when they become civilians financially? >> i had some great suggestions all thought up. but based on your earlier segment, i was thinking maybe developing mobile apps would be better. >> there you go. that will work. >> apps, you say. >> what are some of those tips that you can give us in. >> yes. i think when you enter into the military, if you're planning not to be a career military, in other words, not retiring from the military, you need to begin
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with ending your military service in mind. meaning that you need to be thinking about what kind of training do you need to gain while you're in the military. because certain military training is very valuable to the private sector. and working to developing those skills and developing connections so that when you actually leave the military, you've got something lined up. you've got the skills and the training that you need. and prepare for it financially. which mean living on a budget. a lot of people don't like the budget word so think of it as a cash flow plan if you would prefer that. because that's what that is going to do is teach you how to control your spending so that when you get out of military service and maybe your income is not as certain as what it was, you can control spending when you need to. >> rick, you know, when somebody goes off to war, off to the theater, there is often a family left behind sometime when that person come back. they're dealing with being wounded or ptsd or the hard time readjusting. so it is not just about the
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veterans themselves getting jobs. it is also about the spouses, be it a husband or a wife will is that part of this initiative? and what do you think we should be doing for the husbands and wives who are holding down the family while somebody else goes off to serve the country. >> for that specific sirg, the department of defense has made a lot of changes in the last couple of years. the veterans to work act which is only 2 years old now has put a lot of things in place. if you're wounded, if you have any kind of injury or you're dealing with a medical condition that is related to your military service. free medical care, free services for your family. so there are a lot of thing that have been put in place. and for those that aren't in that situation, the new program that just started last year, replacing the old, let's see, transition access program which is now the transition gps will do a lot more for preparing our servicemen and women for
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entering civilian life. making sure that they have the skills that they need. that they have a resume, that they have all their documents in place so they have a plan when they leave that can get them back into work and asimulated back into civilian society. >> when you look at the federal programs that are available to our returning veterans, do you think this is the right time to have the cuts that we are currently spiriting with in the sequester? >> that's probably a political question. >> no, i tell you, i don't think it is a political question. it is a reality question. we talk a lot about veterans. and obviously there are some very important work here but there is also a numbers question of whether these programs are funded or cut. >> right. and i haven't heard about what will happen with the work opportunity credit which was part of the veterans to work act from two years ago. i know that it was extended through the end of 2013. and i guess with the current situation, it is questionable whether it would be extended. that is certainly a nice leg up
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if you're a veteran. and your employer and you're interviewing with an employer and they know they have a $5,600 tax credit if they hire you versus someone who is not a veteran who has been out of work for six months. that's a big leg up will. >> all right. rick rogers, thanks so much. >> thanks for having me. on facebook today we asked if you thought a soldier who is honorably discharged deserves an automatic job at home. we got a number of responses including this one from our friend karen. she believes we owe them good paying jobs as well as a great big thank you for their service. for more details on how you can help with nbc's hiring our heroes project, be sure to like us on facebook. up next right about now, are you feeling the need for a little afternoon nap? well, you're not alone and your snooze button may just be to blame. the new research straight ahead. [ male announcer ] what are happy kids made of?
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it's delicious. so now we've turned her toffee into a business. my goal was to take an idea and make it happen. i'm janet long and i formed my toffee company through legalzoom. i never really thought i would make money doing what i love. [ robert ] we created legalzoom to help people start their business and launch their dreams. go to legalzoom.com today and make your business dream a reality. at legalzoom.com we put the law on your side. isn't jean paul the guy that missed the marathon? >> so what that? >> snooze alarm, wasn't it? >> it wasn't the snooze. most people think it was the snooze but no. no snooze.
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>> okay. so maybe it wasn't jean paul jean paul. for most of us, hitting the snooze button is like fire. you hit it for a few extra minutes of sleep. not only is there the obvious consequence of that making you late but new ref shows the move can make you more tired. the folks over at asap science report that using it leads to fragmented sleep and takes a toll throughout the rest of your day. >> in an unimaginable world without alarm clocks, our bodies would simply wake up naturally. it seems crazy, right? but our bodies have many chemical mechanisms to not only put to us sleep but wake us up will the alarm goes off but your body is not quite ready. this is known as sleep inertia and its strength is related to which sleep stage you're waking up out of. the deeper the sleep, the more potent the inertia. as a result, the second alarm may cause you to feel even more tired. and so continues the vicious cycle.
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ultimately, you would be better off setting your orange alarm later and not interrupting your sleep. >> from seinfeld to stick figures. >> it wasn't the am/pm. it was the volume. >> it was the volume. >> this is a real thing. and it might be the most important thing that you learn on the cycle. many people make this mistake. they say, you know what? i'm going to hit the snooze button. i need more sleep. that's a feeling. what the research says, depending on when it goes on of, you can trigger that fragmented sleep. that's that feeling yark even get up. people will do that for 20 or 30 minutes. when if they just set the alarm for that 20 minutes later, there is a good chance they would come out not in the heavy sleep. not have fragmented sleep which takes a toll the rest of the day and can affect your memory
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function. >> so just get up. >> take it away. >> you have to get up. that's my advice. >> what does your gut tell you? >> no, it's, i actually went to college with a renowned sleep psychologist. >> you got something out of college. >> yeah. i loved college. >> unlike some people. >> and he taught the largest class in the country. 2,000 kids wanted to listen to hill. wrote all these great books on sleep. you have to go to bed at the same time and get up regularly and early. these are all thing that he constantly reminds me of. i don't do any of them. they're impossible to do. i live in new york city. there is no such thing as a quiet room. i can't get up every day at the same time.
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it is not possible. these tips that he gives stress me out more. because i know i'm not doing them. and so i know i'm already setting myself up for a terrible night sleep. thank you, dr. moss. >> this snooze bar is ancient history in my life. for about five and a half years, i haven't needed any of this. i have a small child who is either crying or jumping in my face. daddy, daddy. look at this. do there with me. so there is no need for a snooze themselves just jump in the bed. sometime they're crying and screaming and yelling at each other. >> i thought they have to get up at 6:00 a.m. to hock your book on the streets of brooklyn for an hour. >> can we slow the cover? ari brought it up. it's helping daddy. >> i am with you on the small
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child equals no need for a snooze or even an alarm. but i have found a snooze button that works quite well which is to turn on the television to nick jr. or disney jr. and then she is entransed and i go back to sleep. >> this is a lesson. we have to have kids. >> i was leaving to go do a book tour event and my son says, daddy, i want to come with you to tell people about your book. i said what would you tell people about my book? and he said don't eat it. >> good advice. >> so back to sleep -- >> any way. >> segue. >> seinfeld. i can always pull a segment of a clip out of seinfeld that would relate. that episode goes to your point. if you were worried about so many different thing, what time,
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what mechanism, am/pm. >> the environment. radio. the environment was an issue because he has checked into a hotel and eventually came. you have less to think about and you'll feel more relaxed. let's talk about children and sleep again soon. up next, the problem for the democrats. now that more and more republicans are supporting gay
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dominated by the gay marriage debate and as more conservatives and republicans come out in support of gay rights and gay marriage, the lgbt rights community presumably populated primarily by liberals is wrestling with just how to welcome these new advocates from the right. or in some cases, whether to at all. when g.l.a.d. spokesman discovered kimberly, and jamie, two fox news hosts who presumably supporters of the organization, showed up at g.l.a.d.'s media awards event, he was far from enthused. he said, "if kimberly and jamie expect to attend future glaad events they'll need to sit down with us to discuss fox news' embarrassing biased and misinformed coverage of lgbt issues." after a wave of glaad's decide z edly exclusionary position, g a glaad apologized. sall